Literally only one of them says that. And Omen alone made Beerus insanely jealous, maybe even scared. And how am I being condesending? An argument could be made for him knowing Gogeta’s experiences but I don’t believe he was referring to his “full power” form, in addition to this we don’t know how much stronger FPSS Broly is that CType. I can overall accept the idea that UI Goku and LB Jiren > Beerus, but I personally vehemently disagree with Base Jiren surpassing Beerus. You know, where they fought him. 50% (25 votes) 25. Jiren vs Gogeta. Omen 3 Goku is also stated above Beerus and performed pretty well against Jiren, who we kinda have a lot of evidence being AT LEAST GoD level. This isn't in question, because Hearts can easily take down Jiren and Hit at once, however Gogeta can easily destroy Hearts, several punch.Jiren is flat out stated to be stronger than a G.O.D in anime Cannon and this is before breaking his limits. The episode itself is the primary source, and depicts events in only a single way. Broly, who is physically even maybe stronger than Jiren, is just not so skilled, he lost a fight in LSSJ form. Hm let’s go back and read the comments... hm.. Nope! It could be a truly massive power increase, which means MUI Goku and Jiren in his unlocked state are still stronger than Broly or Gogeta. Here's why that's pretty bad to use. Back to the subject from before. Broly was only called the strongest ENEMY, because he was an Enemy when they fought. Gogeta has no limits, and does not know the impossible. Trying to argue 'validity' for a singular film, is absolutely ridiculous when nothing contradicts what that film is presenting and stating. SSG=10x SS (I say 10 since Wrath broly a 10x multiplier was able to overpower SSG vegeta) Where do you guys get the idea that base fusion is stronger than the fusees strongest form? The fact that he's not even sure Broly is as strong or stronger than Beerus means they're close, which means 100% certain that Jiren is stronger than Broly by a large degree—especially considering the so-called "Burning Ultimate Warrior" power-up he gains. Opponent and enemy, are not the same thing. 0 Kudos Omegas03. Then he awakened his hidden potential and got vastly more powerful still.

But even then, Goku states in black and white that even after Broly, there's nothing they could do to Jiren I've never seen that statement and it's not in the movie where Frieza just says SS1 Broly has amazing battle power, so I'm going to presume that's the novel. Once Goku stands up, he completely dominates Jiren, who is able to land a single strike and that's it, while Goku overcomes all of his best attacks. Whis said that about Jiren. (Think of it as might being 50/50 while probably is 80%-90%). Goku in the Broly film was also both shown and stated to be stronger than Vegeta, as in all versions of the ToP he fights Jiren longer, meaning he might have made Gogeta even stronger. I never once went after you saying crap or insulting cause we don’t agree I agree with pretty much everything you said, aside from a couple things. Jiren was objectively confirmed to be stronger than the Gods of Destruction in "just" his base form. Or if Gogeta achieves the Mastered Ultra Instinct, then even Daishinkan can tie up his pants! He doesn't know. Equal in power. This isn't in question, because Hearts can easily take down Jiren and Hit at once, however Gogeta can easily destroy Hearts, several punch.Agree with you except the fact that Gogeta can't easily destroy Hearts. The manga, like with the rest of Super, seems to be an adaptation, but I don't think the manga even covers the whole movie. Which contradicts the notion that Base Jiren > Beerus. Clearly reading isn’t your strong suit, you attacked dragon for being “condescending” but not FlatZone or yourself, and he didn’t say you said we were ignorant ********. Since Goku is unreliable the only thing we can lean on is statements and guides and almost all of them say that Broly is the strongest enemy to date making him > Jiren. At Goku's last usage of UI Sign in ToP, Beerus admits Goku may be stronger than him.